chat e foto

[..:: - Gil - ::.. [Partecipante] 11]

Continuo a ripetere per chi non lo sapesse che con le chat sono un nubbio pauroso... e per di più le odio anche un pochino... comunqe fatto sta che ultimamente un po di tipe si sono messe in contatto via e-mail con me (avevano letto qualcosa sulla rete sul mio conto...e tutto ciò era anche corredato da foto mie...)... vabè, dopo un po di mail che ci siamo scambiati mi han mandato loro (io non ho chiesto nulla!)....

delle belle frasettine in sile C&F per 'sti casi ce le avete?!?! Non mi viene (stranamente) nulla in mente :/

Ah, non chiedetemi come sono realmente... perhcè intelligenza femminile mi han mandato delle foto di gruppo e non mi han detto loro chi erano la in mezzo! Cmq HB 10 la in mezzo non ne vedo

garzie per rispondere anche a questi miei post da pseudo-afc..! Ma quando non è il mio campo, non è il mio campo!

[Haran Banjo [Partecipante] 6]

Per caso ho trovato questo, visto che è di Style che sia dice sia il migliore, lo posto. Devo ancora leggerlo bene spero ti possa essere utile..

I've been promising to post this for months, so here you go:

When I first started learning PU, one thing I tried early on was the personals. I attempted all kinds of NLP-loaded letters that friends told me were foolproof and got basically no response. And, if I ever did get a response, I sent an HB my picture, and then never heard from her again.

So I engineered the personals like I learned cold-approach game: one step at a time, until I felt it was foolproof. I can now, four out of five times, email a girl and take it all the way to the !close without a problem. Shout-outs here go to Lovedrop, David D, Ross J, Zan, and a guy on Cliff's List who I think is named Gamemaster, all of whom contributed essential pieces.

STEP ONE: COMPOSING THE AD

It goes against all logic, but the best profile is one in which you are a TOTAL ASSHOLE. The first line of my profile is: I'm a selfish prick. THEN I go on to describe my looks and physique. FINALLY, I tell them that I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks. I do what I want when I want. (Most of this is from Lovedrop, so I'm only paraphrasing in case he doesn't want it posted.)

Everything in the profile is designed to make me seem like a choosy selfish asshole seducer. My tagline, adapted from Zan, is: "Run away, little girl."  

Finally, for the coup de grace, is something adapted from Gamemaster. When I describe what I'm looking for, I say, "If I had to write a newspaper personal, it would read something like this..." Then I go on to describe, somewhat facetiously, that I'm a well-hung sexually talented stud looking for a married woman who wants to make her husband jealous in order to procure expensive gifts from him."

Again, you can figure out your own wording. If you're really retarded and need it spelled out, let me know and I'll consider posting a link to my profile.

For the picture, I don't post an actual photo. I post a SKETCH someone has done of me. If you don't have a friend with art skills, just get a sketch of yourself done by a street sketch artist or at a comic convention or something. This way, girls looking for profiles with photos will come across your profile, but at the same time, you'll be able to hook them with your personality before they can just disqualify you as not being their type.

Often, girls will write me just to ask, "Are you for real?" because my profile is so outlandish.

STEP TWO: THE FIRST COMMUNICATION

Whether I write the girl or she writes me, my letter is always pretty much the same. I keep it short. Two paragraphs. The intention is that I am the prize, and she will have to work to get me.

1. I bust her balls on something in her profile. ("What's with the hat? Is the top of your head pointy or something?")

2. I give her a hoop to jump through, so that she has to meet my standards. I also usually give her a nickname. Example:  "I'll tell you what, imp. Email me at [insert your email address] and tell me three qualities you possess that would make me want to get to know you better. I will, of course, send you a non-illustrated pic -- two if I like what you have to say."

STEP THREE: EXCHANGE PICS

Okay. She'll send you her reply. Usually, you can tell by the tone what she's after. More than half the time, there will be a hint of sexual suggestion in there.  

In your response, bust her balls a little, but tell her you're impressed (as if she's winning you over). Now I put her on the points system. "You've earned three points for your sense of humor and three for your adventurousness," I may say. "At 15, you win my phone number."

Now, for the picture, this is key. I used to lose the girl when I sent some dumb digicam photo of myself. Fortunately, about a year ago, someone took a photo of me for a magazine, so i tell the girl I don't have a digital camera, but I scanned a photo from a magazine for her. This is great, because it's great social proof and also a little mysterious.

If you don't have a photo that's appeared in a magazine, a school newspaper, a society page, whatever (they don't have to know where it's from), just make one. All you need is a good photo, a magazine, a scanner, and Photoshop. I've had friends make really funny ones, with good captions. Usually, they'll take a photo of themselves out, or with a celeb (non-posed), and make it look like it's from the party pages of In-Style or something.  

STEP FOUR: TAKING IT OFFLINE

Once they respond to this, it's time to take it offline. Write them back, bust their balls, and then write something casual like the following: "I can be slow when it comes to online correspondence because I get pretty busy, so what do you say we continue this on the phone? My number is below. Or, if you're shy and would feel more comfortable if I called, just email me your info. "

At this point, she's already interested, so whatever way you choose to get the phone number is not a big deal.

STEP FIVE: THE PHONE CALL

I only make one phone call. That's all it takes. All she needs to do is to hear your voice (to know that you're for real and not some sort of psycho). Here's the phone structure I use:

1. Don't say hello and introduce myself. Instead, refer to a private joke from my emails (such as saying, "Hi, imp," if that's her nickname), so that she automatically recognizes who it is.

2. Break the tension right away with a pre-prepared story. Chose from any of your favorite ASF stories. Jlaix has tons of good ones if you don't have any of your own.

3. Tease her a little into talking about herself, but only for a few minutes. (It helps her feel rapport to talk about herself a little.)  

4. Make a plan. Use the David D tactic: "I'm busy Wednesday and Friday, but Thursday is good. Let's just meet for a quick drink. That way, if you're a complete nutbag, I can escape with my dignity." (Calibrate here: only say to a girl with a sesnse of humor. Make sure you have a kidding tone; usually she'll tease you back.)

5. The plan should ALWAYS be for an intimate bar, where you can sit down. SteviePUA has what he calls his Tonguedown Bar, where he takes girls to make out. I'm talking about this kind of place, although with Solid Personals Game you will not be making out here.

STEP SIX: THE FIRST MEETING

1. You need to pre-plan two things: One is a second venue to take her to if you like her. A venue change IS key. Two, I recommend bringing friends. Pretend like you bumped into them there, if you want. It surprises her when you're with someone, and also socially proofs you.  

2. Greet her, then sit down with your friends. The game at first is ALL body language. When i sit with her at first, I'm VERY distant with my body language. It's all negative. I need to let her feel that she is slowly winning me over, that I'm getting comfortable with her. Also, the girl will almost always give you negative body language at first, and if you're totally open to her with your BL, it makes you seem needy and supplicative. Trust me on this. It's a key subtlety.

3. INSTANTLY go into a routine. I prefer the Cube. Say, "Hey, here's a cool way to get to know each other. My friend just taught me this. Let's try it." Another option is to do the lying game with one of your friends.

4. When you do the Cube, you go into mini-isolation with her and shut out your friends. They will soon leave and, as you've instructed them, go to venue 2. Now it's just you and her. While doing the Cube, you're keeping distant BL but at the same time displaying your humor and great personality. As she starts warming up to you with her BL, you may start giving her positive BL. But keep fractionating with the good BL, as if you're not sure.

5. After a drink or two, you'll realize that she's beginning to like you. She was doubtful at first when you met, but now you're really winning her over. Happens every time. Don't know why. You almot feel like you could kiss her, but don't. Instead...

6. Venue change. Tell her you made plans afterward, because you just planned on a short meeting, but since you're getting along so well, she may as well tag along. Then go to a bar, a concert, wherever. You will both run into your friends here. Hang around, joke around with them, and make sure she's included and having a good time. The time distortion of the venue change and the fractionation of being social again is really powerful.  

7. Now, isolate her again. Sit on a couch, do the evolution phase shift routine, and make out. Don't forget to do two-steps-forward/one-step-backward when making out.

Continua..

[Haran Banjo [Partecipante] 6]

..qui!

CLOSING THE DEAL

Usually, unless it's just one hundred percent one, I like to wait for the second meeting to !close. It's just solid game and ensures I don't get LMR. So, usually, I'll:

1. Take her back to her car, make out with her like crazy, and then tell her, "I'm trying so hard to be good right now." You want to leave her well-teased, so that she masturbates thinking about you that night. (I always ask girls in bed if they touched themselves and thought about what it would be like to be together, and they always confess that they did.)

2. See her again two or three nights later. The most solid way to do this is to have her come over before going out. To drink some wine, and start fooling around. If it's on with no LMR, just !close. If she's hesitating, then go out for a drink, and take her home afterward and !close.

Okay. I hope this isn't too basic. But this IS the SOLID GAME formula for the personals. As long as you have some semblance of a personality, humor, grooming, likability, and style, this will make the personals such a turkey shoot that you'll probably stop using because they're so boring. Seriously.

Report back with your results! Any feedback and criticisms are always welcome! And please, if you're a lurker with no social skills whatsoever, make sure you market this information as an original e-book in order to discourage the free-flow of good PU ideas and techniques on ASF...

[..:: - Gil - ::.. [Partecipante] 11]

..qui!

umh.. appena ho un'attimo di tempo traduco, grazie intanto

[XAX [Partecipante] 58]

Per caso ho trovato questo, visto che è di Style che sia dice sia il migliore, lo posto. Devo ancora leggerlo bene spero ti  possa essere utile..

Grazie

sto vedendo che i miei C&B live sono di molto diminuiti mentre quelli in chat sono aumentati tantissimo.

Questo mi fa pensare che ho guadagnato molto sul non verbale ma qualcosa nel gioco "mentale" (questa è la chat) non funziona bene.

Leggo, studio e pratico.

Grazie