Lyoness funziona!!

[Marco_drake [Élite] 621]

Ho letto l'intera discussione ma non mi è ben chiaro come iniziare, mi occorre un tutor per entrare a farne parte ?

[sexyjonny [Partecipante] 267]

Una domanda forse banale:

Io che sono uno studente universitario, posso entrare in lyoness sperando di guadagnarci qualcosa oppure devo avere un'attività per sperare di fare qualcosa di soldi?

L'iscrizione è gratuita, ma devo acquistare online qualcosa in qualche sito affiliato Lyoness... dico bene?

[Yesman [Partecipante] 164]

Ciao Marco, inviami il tuo nome su facebook che ti aggiungo al gruppo Lyoness che ho creato per quelli del forum, così vi spiego tutto per bene ed è sicuramente più facile.. oppure rileggetevi i miei post.

Lo stesso vale per Jonny,

a cui dico inoltre che si, certo che ci puoi guadagnare, il quanto dipende da quanto ti sbatti. Se hai un' attività ti dà anche un buon ritorno di clienti, ma quello è un "vantaggio secondario". L' iscrizione è gratuita e non sei costretto a comprare nulla, se vuoi te la fai regalare e la butti nel cassetto.

[sexyjonny [Partecipante] 267]

PM mandato

[Bull [Partecipante] 10]

Ragazzi sono di ritorno da Brescia da una Convention Lyoness con il Top President dell' Italia

Molto interessante, molta figa, splendida Giornata

[Marco_drake [Élite] 621]

Grazie yesman, dato che non posso ancora mandare pm ti ho lasciato un mex sul diario

[Dustoff [Partecipante] 116]

E' l'ennesima truffa legalizzata che utilizza il meccanismo piramidale. Sono tutte uguali e tutte viscide.

Sono andato sul loro sito e come è ovvio che sia non viene affatto spiegato dettagliatamente da dove provengono i ritorni e sono sempre molto vaghi, arrivando a dire solo l'essenziale senza spiegare assolutamente nulla di preciso.

Questa cosa è comune a tutte le organizzazioni che utilizzano il meccanismo piramidale e già deve far venire un sospetto.

Poi basta andare su internet a cercare qualche informazione su questo lyoness e già solo aprendo il primo sito si scopre che questa "società" è una vera e propria attività criminale con centinaia e centinaia di denunce in corso, provvedimenti giudiziari, associazioni di categoria e avvocati in campo per difendere chi è stato truffato e ridicolizzata dalle stesse aziende (che dovrebbero rappresentare il loro business).

Peccato che tutto ciò non lo scrivano.

Cito solo qualcosa (mi auguro che parliate inglese) perchè sono accuse gravi:

One year after Lyoness was founded, in 2004, the Austrian criminal police (Kriminalpolizei) published an article in the December issue of its organisation’s magazine, in which it warned for the resurfacing of Ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes in Austria. Lyoness was explicitly mentioned in this article. Lyoness contested the allegations publicly. In 2005, Austrian Parliamentmember, Johann Maier (SPÖ) asked the then-incumbent Austrian Minister of Justice (Karin Miklautsch, BZÖ) parliamentary questions about the reports filed against alleged pyramid schemes inAustria in 2004. Lyoness was one of the organisations complaints were filed against.

In 2008, the Austrian Chamber of Labour (‘Arbeiterkammer’) of Steiermark issued a warning against Lyoness, listing its alleged privacy violations, misleading advertising, deceptive information and unrealistic and negligible benefits as red flags for doing business with Lyoness.

In March 2010, the Swiss medium Beobachter published an article by Pascale Hofmeier entitled ‘ Lyoness: Hands off’. In the article, Sara Stalder of the Swiss Consumer Union and Manuel Richard of the Swiss Gambling Commission warn consumers not to do business with Lyoness. In the beginning of 2012, Kleine Zeitung published an article suggesting that Lyoness has deceived the masses by operating an irrelevant shopping community, whereas actually, it is all about the systems behind this community. L’Hebdo, a Swiss medium, reproduced a story about how Lyoness members are told that an investment of 3,000 CHF will eventually lead to 25,000 CHF in return, if enough new, down-paying members are recruited.

In February 2012, the Beobachter published an article stating that, based on consideration of internal Lyoness communication, members are offered ‘bounties’ up to 45,000 CHF to provide ‘relevant information’ on Lyoness’ critics. A critic from Zurich was reported to have been sued for over 1 million CHF for ‘defamation’ after he contacted Lyoness’ partner companies in Switzerlandin an attempt to explain the business model of Lyoness to them. The article also reported that the Lyoness business model seems to revolve around recruiting activities instead of discounts and that Lyoness is internationally charged with forgery, fraud and hosting a pyramid scheme.

Der Standard reported in July 2012 that the Austrian Economic and Corruption Prosecutor (‘WKStA’) has been granted jurisdiction to investigate and prosecute Lyoness in Austria. Additionally,criminal charges are pending in Switzerland. The Swiss Handelszeitung mentioned a court case Lyoness lost, which revolved around the question as to whether Lyoness should have issued afinancial prospectus before asking investors to finance their foreign-markets advertising campaigns. In September 2012, the same newspaper reported that major, alleged Lyoness partners in Switzerland (Microsoft and Kuoni Travel) were announcing not to continue the partnerships, if there were any to begin with. The Wiener Zeitung reported about a pending lawsuit initiated by the Austrian Consumer Organisation ‘VKI’ in March 2013. The VKI contests 61 clauses of Lyoness’ ‘General Terms and Conditions’, which it called opaque, uncertain, and/or meaningless. Eric Breiteneder, hired as a legal representative by the organisation, also referred to the concepts used to distinguish various parts of – and benefits within the Lyonessbusiness model as vague and/or undefined elsewhere.

The Handelszeitung reported about suspicions that high-level Lyoness members were earlier involved in (other) pyramid schemes, like the ‘Spirit of Independence’. It also mentioned a system called ‘GTS’ (Global Trade System), operated by Erin Trade SA, as a former organisation tied to Hubert Freidl. Like Lyoness, this company has been called a pyramid scheme in the public debate. The Kleine Zeitung reported that various experts were looking at the investment schemes for advertising campaigns organised by Lyoness, and whether a prospectus was required before attracting capital from investors. Lyoness-hired professor Susanne Kalls concluded that no capital market regulations were violated by not issuing a prospectus; attorney Karl Hengstberger came to the opposite conclusion. In the same article, Mathias Vorbach, spokesman of Lyoness, admits that Lyoness may have had some trouble before, but that those days are behind us – Lyoness has learned from its mistakes. He asserts the message that legal problems have only appeared in Austria (a contested claim) and that 95% of the Lyoness members justshop and do not participate in the earning models offered by Lyoness. However, the Beobachter, after reportedly considering internal Lyoness documents, published an article suggesting that 99.7% of the Lyoness turnover derives from down-payments on future purchases, not from actual shopping or (saved up) discounts.

Lyoness contests that it operates a pyramid scheme, as well as that it violated the relevant capital markets regulations when offering investments without issuing a prospectus.

On November 30, 2011, Dragons’ Den Canada aired an episode featuring the pitch of a Lyoness ‘Premium Member’ from Ontario, Canada, in which he asked the ‘Dragons’ to jointly invest 175,000Canadian Dollars to acquire Lyoness ‘business packages’ through him. None of the Dragons were willing to invest. Instead, they ridiculed him and his business idea, claiming it to be a ‘distasteful pyramid scheme’. They also advised the Lyoness member, who borrowed against his house to acquire Lyoness positions, not to invest any more money in the Lyoness system.

Another television show that has reported on Lyoness is the Austrian public television program ORF Report. This programme aired episodes under the names ‘The money mule’ (December 19, 2012) and ‘The man behind Lyoness’ (April 23, 2013), interviewing experts and former participants, which both say that Lyoness operates a pyramid scheme behind the façade of a ‘shopping community’. The latter episode also features hidden camera footage of Hubert Freidl telling his followers that spreading ‘Cashback Cards’ is irrelevant – ‘it is all about the positions, positions, positions, positions’.

In the meantime, both Austrian and Swiss authorities have started investigations of the Lyoness business model and the related allegations that the company is running an illegal pyramid scheme. Reportedly, similar investigations were started in Hungary and Australia. Also, it was reported that the Austrian Consumers Union has filed suit against Lyoness for providing participants with unclear and deceptive terms and conditions. According to the website of his law firm, VKI-attorney Breiteneder is currently the attorney of about 300 former Lyoness participants who are demanding their money back from Lyoness. Reportedly, he has managed to get his clients’ money back on several occasions. These clients had invested money in the advertising campaigns organised by Lyoness, and several option trading packages offered by Lyoness, but were not provided with a prospectus. The Viennese Commercial Court has on several occasions ruled that this violates the Austrian legislation on investments and has granted the plaintiffs the right to demand their money back.

From a published Lyoness document income disclosure statement can be derived that the average Lyoness member in the United States receives a gross annual commission of approximately $275, or $23 per month. The monthly median commission value of $0.38 indicates that the vast majority of the members receives a lower commission than the 23 dollar monthlyaverage.

Additionally, the document states that 46% of the Lyoness members makes $0 in commission and that the average annual expenditures, not taken into account when calculating the averagecommission, are $1,294.

On the Internet, various websites and Blogs from all over the world have spent attention on Lyoness, accusing the company of illegal business practices (mainly of running pyramid and Ponzi schemes) and questioning the alleged partnerships between Lyoness and several multinational corporations, as well as the validity and relevance of the certificates granted to the Lyoness shopping community. In April 2013, it was reported that former (Austrian) participants of Lyoness had organised themselves and founded an organisation and website called Plattform Lyoness. Not much later, an international equivalent was established under the name Lyoness Complaint Centre.

[Bull [Partecipante] 10]

Dustoff, grazie di niente

[BaldOfAwesome [Partecipante] 177]

Dustoff, grazie di niente

Io non mi sbilancio sul fatto che Lyonesse sia un'azienda (iniziativa?) positiva o negativa. E' però oggettivo che si tratti di uno schema piramidale. Non ci sono cazzi, si possono usare tutti gli aggettivi e tutte le supercazzole del pianeta...ma il sistema è piramidale. Poi magari è utilizzato per una volta in maniera pulita ed onesta, non lo metto in dubbio. Ma di schema piramidale si tratta, e già sulla base di questo bisognerebbe andarci con i piedi di piombo.

My two cents

BoA

[Yesman [Partecipante] 164]

Il sistema piramidale è basato sul fatto che guadagni iscrivendo altri, e te guadagni solo così.. qua ripeto che i vantaggi sono immediati da subito anche solo come sconto, e del resto se vuoi vederla come piramide ok, allora lo Stato è una Piramide, e lo è anche l' UNICEF, e lo è anche qualsiasi altra azienda privata e pubblica (con un minimo di struttura decente). Ovunque chi sta sopra guadagna da chi sta sotto, è sempre stato così e sempre così sarà. E' vero che guadagnerà bene solo chi sarà in cima, ed infatti ho spiegato che rende sicuramente di più nelle zone vergini, così se parti la tua città è la piramide, e te sei il faraone

Dustoff, tutte le società grosse sono accusate di mille e più cazzate (Microsoft, Apple, la mia..), poi si sa come finiscono, ma sai che ti dico? che a me non me ne frega nulla, io penso solo a quello che mi entra in tasca